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Title: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tesscaline on January 14, 2016, 08:04:58 AM
I've been struggling with how to put this question into words for a while now.  I don't want to trigger anyone, obviously, and trying to ask about this without talking about the abuses I've suffered is difficult.  I'll try to be vague, and hope that gives enough background without setting anyone else off.

...

For the past several months, I have noticed that doing things for myself, by myself, has been setting off panic attacks.  Sometimes they're small and I can talk myself down from them.  Sometimes, however, they're full blown meltdowns.  I thought, at first, that it was me adjusting to my partner not being around (and now, us being separated -- that happened over the holidays), but I'm realizing that there's a lot more to it than that.

As a child, I suffered from extreme emotional and physical neglect from both parents, in addition to verbal and physical abuse from my mom (who I wholeheartedly believe is NPD, but of course there's no official diagnosis on that because everything is always everyone else's fault and she's blameless <eyeroll>).  I was the care-giver for my younger siblings.  I made sure chores were done, mouths had food in them, homework got taken care of, baths were had, cuts were bandaged, tears were hugged and kissed away.  Physical and emotional needs were things that other people got met by me, not the other way around, and if I wanted mine met, I had to do that myself too.

So now, going back to being the only one who is caring for me, it's bringing all that back up.  It's hard, because everything I read, everything I've been taught about how to manage my mental and physical health, all the advice I get from anyone (even my therapist) says "make sure to practice self care".  But what do I do when self care itself is triggering?  What do I do when even self-soothing can be triggering??

It's not just loneliness.  I'm not actually lonely.  I don't, by and large, want to be around other people.  And it's not just a "wanting other people to care for me" thing.  Because I'm sick to death of being reliant on other people.  I want to do it myself.  But doing it myself?  It's causing EF's and panic attacks.

I walked to the corner store two days ago, to run an errand, and on the way back, I wound up in a flashback to a situation of what CPS would have termed "child abandonment" had they been called, and then when I tried to self soothe myself out of it I ended up in a full blown panic attack -- tight chest, hyperventilating, heart pounding -- because self soothing just reminded me of the "having to do it all myself" that the EF was about and intensified it instead of lessening it... I ended up having to just keep walking until it passed on it's own, hoping I didn't run into anyone on the sidewalk.   

Ugh.  Has anyone else ever had any experiences with self care being triggering?  Or have any advice about what to do about it?
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Dutch Uncle on January 14, 2016, 09:35:31 AM
Yes. I can relate.

I don't have much to say at the moment, but I do know (and experience in EF's and dissociation) that every self care I did do was criticized to no end by my FOO. Up to this day.
No self care I ever did was 'good enough'.

So yeah, self care is triggering.

:hug:
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Whobuddy on January 14, 2016, 11:11:51 AM
I think I can relate. I grew up in a chaotic household. I have trouble with the self-care of housekeeping to the point that I cannot sleep if everything is tidy. I have contemplated this for years. What I have determined is that it is a multi-layered problems.

Tidying makes me realize I was not parented to know how to do this. Reading books and articles about house care gives me the same feeling. The trend in uncluttering now is to get rid of things that don't give you positive feelings so that makes me realize I don't know how I feel about my things. When all is tidy it is quite bare because I don't know myself well enough to know what I want for colors, decorations, art, etc. That makes me sad. There is probably more to it as well that I haven't figured out yet.

Recently, I determined to work through this even though it is very tough. When I can, I cry about it and that releases some of the bad feelings. At first it bothered me that I didn't know precisely what I was crying about but that is because it is so complex. I just cry and feel my feelings and they pass. I am making good progress and am sleeping better in my neat room but I know this will never go away completely. More like a slow fade.

Perhaps it will be similar with you. Tough through it, you are worth it. Cry, grieve for the childhood you never had, for the parent-care that you deserved but did not get. Know that you are not alone, there are others with similar struggles.

Sending hugs.  :hug:
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tired on January 15, 2016, 07:10:43 PM
Oh geez yes
It's a huge problem
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tesscaline on January 15, 2016, 10:40:25 PM
Knowing I'm not alone in having self care be triggering is a bit of a relief.  I was starting to worry that it was some sort of freakish thing that no one else had ever experienced.

So... What do you guys do to combat it?  Other than just gritting your teeth and pushing through it somehow, or keeping on keeping on and waiting for it to "get better", are there any tips or tricks?

It's so frustrating, trying to do good things for myself, get my life in order, take care of me, and have it be so... Traumatic. 

I mean, even things as simple as doing the laundry, taking a shower, or brushing my teeth... It's all so filled with anxiety.  Other than taking anxiety meds (which I have an appointment to talk to a doctor about, on my therapist's suggestion), I have no idea what to do about it or how to make it stop.  And it's hellish :(
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tired on January 16, 2016, 12:09:32 AM
i  make a list of things that i avoid.  i make it specific and tackle on small thing at a time. like,"this week i will tackle my reluctance to brush my hair". I put it in my calendar and focus on it.  when i work on it i sometimes come face to face with the underlying issue but usually it turns out to be just bad habit. in other words if i do it enough i stop avoiding it.

you can look at other things you do that are self-care that you don't avoid. obviously you do some things.  probably because you do them on autopilot. so you can take things from the "avoiding" list and put them on the "autopilot" list.

i do one small thing at a time because each one might trigger an emotional reaction and i can't deal with a lot at once or i should say i imagine i can't deal with it.  i have this impression that a trigger will kill me when in reality it just bothers me a lot for a few hours. sure it's a few hours that are very unpleasant but it's not the end of the world. 

i don't think waiting is a good idea. sure, you can analyze it and treat the underlying problem then start taking care of yourself but that's not really a practical solution.  your life is now, it can only be now and you can't afford to wait until you have all your ducks in a row. let's say you figure out how to brush your teeth this week.  this week is still a full week that you're alive and you can enjoy life.  so what if you didn't make your bed and your clothes are covered in cat hair (i'm giving examples from my own life). 

this is not technically my attitude but it's the attitude of my adult daughter who is very messy but manages to have a job, so i'm trying to go with it.
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Indigochild on January 16, 2016, 05:36:11 PM
Hey tesscaline,

Im sorry for the things that happened to you and your struggle with self care.
When we are given the message through neglect and or abuse that we dont matter, we feel apparently- deeply subconsciously that we dont matter.

It makes so much sense- I relate, when you say that if you wanted your emotional needs met- you had to do it- not your parents.
This was the same for me too, and now i dont know how to meet my own emotional needs, and i think that I'm blocked to healing because firstly, i want someone to hear me and to be with me when I'm feeling things. Therapy is good for that.
I know i will have to look after my own self one day, and that its know one else job to do it, but i feel its unfair that i have to do everything myself even now.

I think i just want to be *heard and understood* before i begin tackling my emotions and health myself.

It is very common for self care and self soothing to be triggering.
It could also be to do with hating the body for a number of reasons, one being, for failing to protect you against physical abuse, i believe that not running away and shutting down during emotional abuse- its like the body failed you.
But its know ones fault.

It sounds like you are trying to find a balance between needing other people to rely upon, and being self reliant? Maybe you do need others, and thats ok- but you have bene taught like myself, to rely on yourself only and to be totally self sufficient.

Perhaps when you had that flashback back to abandonment, another flashback happened as a result of you trying to soothe yourself- just like you had to as a child when you were abandoned- so sure, it would remind you of soothing yourself as a child and being alone when you were abandoned.
Pete Walker talks of us having a second flashback after having one, when we try to self sooth etc.
Self care is triggering for me because i worry that as soon as i do something good for myself, the world will come crashing down and i will regret doing it, and also, having flashbacks / being upset- whatever it may be- alone, is triggering and it makes me feel very very lonely.

I dont know how to ease flashbacks at the moment and its something i really need to learn.
Perhaps greiving what we never had, ie. never having supportive others, being alone, being abandoned, having to self soothe and sort out our own problems-
things like that, might help us be able to self regulate in the long run.
And i think that having ie. a therapist with us when we grieve might help to fill the hole somewhat of not having some one there in the past, then we can learn the skills we need in order so soothe ourselves.

Im sorry i dont have any advice at the moment. This was such a great thread to start.
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Indigochild on January 16, 2016, 05:41:43 PM
Just read the rest of the thread after posting and i have to say, that i wouldnt want anyone to push through and force themselves to do things, because that might be very triggering and traumatising.
Trauma recovery university on youtube, did a video on self care, and they talk about struggles with washing and brushing your teeth...
They talk about splitting things up slowly into little tasks, such as having a shower say, every other day, even to begin with, brushing your teeth only once a day...
things like that.
If there were any negative messages given such as, your selfish for doing that for yourself, that can stand in our way, so its a good idea to look at these messages.

It doesn't fix it, but i find that understanding why parents were that way with us, helps me to be more objective, but really, expressing those feelings and working through them would help a lot i imagine.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Whobuddy on January 17, 2016, 12:48:13 PM
Quote from: Waterman on January 16, 2016, 07:04:44 PM
When I'm pushing too hard, I forget to go easy on myself, I forget to rest when I need rest.
Quote from: tesscaline on January 15, 2016, 10:40:25 PM
So... What do you guys do to combat it?  Other than just gritting your teeth and pushing through it somehow, or keeping on keeping on and waiting for it to "get better", are there any tips or tricks?

It helped me when I found out how helpful it is to listen to those feelings and not fight against them. I think the ideal would be to label the feelings and just sit (or keep doing what you were doing) and feel them. Cry if you can.

I say that is the ideal because often I cannot put a label on the feeling. At those times, I just talk to myself about what it feels like, for example, it feels like a weight on my chest or a nervousness in my stomach.

We grew up without acceptance of ourselves. Give yourself permission to feel any old way you want to feel or any way that your mind and body are telling you to feel. Tell yourself that it is okay to feel that way and listen to those feelings.

As Indigo states, therapy is very good for this. However, I have never had a therapist that really helped with it so I needed to be my own 'therapist' and listen to myself, accept myself. It takes time and that is okay.
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tired on January 17, 2016, 07:06:34 PM
Today I decided to clean my room which was overwhelming because of the clothes. I get anxious about the amount of self care tasks and I have no sense of how long anything will take. So I decided to try doing it slowly. It sounds odd but I usually try and go as fast as possible and I guess I thought, maybe I'll do something different. I told myself I won't really focus on finishing but I'll just focus on the process of picking up as a therapy task. I didn't watch the clock or try to be efficient. I just did  one thing and then the next. 

I actually finished after 3 hours or so. I it's Sunday so I had time. I decided ahead of time that if I didn't finish it wouldn't matter because my goal isn't to have a clean room. I just want to get over my barriers.

Anyway maybe going slow moment to moment might help somehow.
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Kizzie on January 17, 2016, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: tesscaline on January 15, 2016, 10:40:25 PM
Knowing I'm not alone in having self care be triggering is a bit of a relief.  I was starting to worry that it was some sort of freakish thing that no one else had ever experienced.  So... What do you guys do to combat it?  Other than just gritting your teeth and pushing through it somehow, or keeping on keeping on and waiting for it to "get better", are there any tips or tricks?

It's so frustrating, trying to do good things for myself, get my life in order, take care of me, and have it be so... Traumatic.  I mean, even things as simple as doing the laundry, taking a shower, or brushing my teeth... It's all so filled with anxiety.  Other than taking anxiety meds (which I have an appointment to talk to a doctor about, on my therapist's suggestion), I have no idea what to do about it or how to make it stop.  And it's hellish :(

Hi Tesscaline - Almost two years ago now I ended up living on my own in a new town for about 8 months while my H was finishing up work across the country and found myself going though something similar.  I starting really having trouble with self-care, household matters and work - *!?!?  I am almost 60 and while I have been depressed before and this was something different.  In addition to being depressed I started having major panic attacks. 

Looking back I think it was for me was being truly alone and lonely, and it triggered all the feelings of abandonment in childhood I had staved off with caring for others, working, etc.  The truth, the reality  hit me really hard and brought younger me right at the surface for all those awful months.  She was not sure she deserved any self-care, was worth the effort AND moreover, did not know how to give it to herself.   What child does if they have not seen it, felt it, learned it?   

I finally reached out to my H and my GP. In addition to seeing a psychiatrist who changed my meds and an addictions counsellor I also started working with younger me.  I began to look at her as I would any child who has been traumatized and doesn't really know how to take care of herself nor feels she is worth the bother.  Like you I had been well trained to care for others, but myself - no idea really.  I started with doing one small thing each day - like brushing my teeth but seeing her as brushing her teeth and as silly as it sounds, telling her how well she had done and didn't her teeth look pretty?  I let her (me) smile at the praise, drink it in.  I let her (me) cry that life seems so hard and reassured her she didn't have to do everything at once, that I was there to help her.  I tried not to pressure her any more, but to encourage and praise, as we would each do with any child who is traumatized and needs much support and caring guidance. Little by little I came out of the worst of it. 

When my H goes away (he's unretired lol) I still do struggle with this to some extent, but now that I know what's going on I try to help her through it compassionately.  We cooked a new dish together last time - normally when I'm on my own I eat out of the freezer so that's progress.  And we did a really fun craft, glitter everywhere! 

FWIW - it's what helped me so thought I'd share it with you.   
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tesscaline on January 17, 2016, 09:32:03 PM
Wow.  You guys have so many good ideas, and such great insight.  I'm really glad I started this thread.  So much of what all of you have had to say resonates so much with me.  The idea that we grew up without acceptance of ourselves, and ending up feeling guilty for doing things for ourselves, or even outright never having learned how to take care of ourselves emotionally... It's all just so true. 

I'm starting to wonder if maybe, in addition to all of that, I never learned how to feel cared for, and that's making it hard to get behind doing things to take care of myself.  It seems like other people feel satisfied or fulfilled, after taking care of themselves, because they're taking care of themselves.  And I don't feel that way.  I'm not sure I can think of a time when I ever did. 

Which really sucks, because I've finally gotten to a place in my emotional development where I love myself -- not just like, but love -- and it's distressing to realize that, at almost 40, I have no idea how to express or experience that love, even to or from myself.  It's easy to think I might never be able to learn how, and hard to be patient. 

But you guys have given great advice.  Hearing how you all handle it, even if you haven't conquered it yet, gives me hope.  Thank you. 
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tired on January 19, 2016, 11:04:49 AM
Yes to feel cared for by yourself you would be remembering how someone else did the same thing for you at one time. "Here I am making soup when I'm sick just like mom did ." What if you don't have that.

I'm always going for that latte because someone is making me warm milk. How obvious is that.

I was wondering what kinds of role models or icons of mothering I can conjure up and focus on . I watched "brave miss world" and cried and thought, I wish I had her mother . Or I wish she was my friend who would stop by for tea.  For a short time after watching that I took care of myself. It sort of rubbed off. "This is what caring looks like".  what if there was something I could put in the kitchen that says here is a visual of caring and comfort in case you forget how to do it.
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tesscaline on January 20, 2016, 01:47:14 AM
So, I tried to talk to my T about this today. She didn't seem to understand at all what I was talking about, and it made me feel... Really alone.  I kinda shut down for the remainder of the session, though it wasn't something I did intentionally.  I think I may need to find a different T. Mine doesn't seem to understand that I have way deeper issues than just a defunct relationship. She keeps acting like everything revolves around my partner, rather than the situation with him being just another trigger.

When I tried to ask her about self care being triggering... She just said to keep doing it, without making any suggestions on how to manage the panic or flashbacks, and that I'd "get used to it" over time.  :sadno:

I'm trying not to feel defeated. I know it's an obstacle that can be overcome, even if it means switching to another therapist. But man, that was a let down :(
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Kizzie on January 20, 2016, 07:10:59 PM
Sorry to hear your T did not hear you Tesscaline, I can only imagine how let down you must feel.   :hug:

At least you know that it may be a failure on her part and not because of something you did or did not do.  Do you feel comfortable enough to tell her about what happened?  It might help you to judge the fit between you and her better, and if it still doesn't feel right  move on. 
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tesscaline on January 23, 2016, 12:26:45 AM
After talking with a friend or two about how things went with the T, I'm not going to give up on her just yet. We're still in the "getting to know you" phase of things, so she may just not understand what I need from her yet. Also, having state healthcare makes it hard to switch, so a little perseverance is a good thing.

I don't know if anyone else does anything like this, but I'm finding that creating "rituals" for myself when I'm trying to care for myself is helpful. Even when it comes to making tea for myself in the morning, or brushing my teeth at night, if I do the same things, in the same order, as if it were a ceremony of sorts, instead of it being haphazard, that's allowing me to feel like it's doing something special for myself, instead of it being a "routine chore".
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tired on January 23, 2016, 02:56:53 PM
Turning anything into a ritual makes me more emotionally present.although I might get upset from being triggered it's also possible for me to feel tons better because I'm present. It also makes it fun and emphasizes enjoying life and counters the sense that I can't enjoy it until I heal. Self care isn't a boring therapy exercise that reminds me of my problems . It's a natural joy we can all have.
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Jdog on February 02, 2016, 12:56:51 AM
Tired -

Love that line about self care being a natural joy that we can all have.  For me, it often comes down to realizing that I deserve that care and am "enough" without having to earn my own best level of care.

Thanks for that!
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: I like vanilla on February 03, 2016, 04:37:16 PM
That's funny - OK not in a 'haha sense' but in a 'dark humour' sort of way...

At my appointment with my therapist a couple of days ago we were just discussing that topic. I have been taking many steps toward self-care and yup my 'ghosts' (the messages from childhood that haunt me still) have been trying to attack me for it. I have been fighting them but it takes so much energy that I am not really able to do the self-care anymore.

I am still figuring out what to do about it, but have discovered that my ghosts are really afraid of me making progress. I am also discovering that every act of self-care weakens them, though it is a scary and often painful process to keep going against the haunting. So, I keep taking baby steps forward and hoping that any particular will not be the one that causes a full-on frontal assault by my ghosts and a resulting meltdown (dissociation and/or EF) by me.

As Churchill said "If you're going through *, keep going".
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tesscaline on February 07, 2016, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: I like vanilla on February 03, 2016, 04:37:16 PMI have been taking many steps toward self-care and yup my 'ghosts' (the messages from childhood that haunt me still) have been trying to attack me for it. I have been fighting them but it takes so much energy that I am not really able to do the self-care anymore.
That place is a place I'm coming to realize that I've been in for quite a long time.  When I had other people around who noticed, or cared, if I did good things for myself, it was easier... Because "self-care" wasn't self care, then, it was taking care of them.  Now, when it's pretty much just me?  It's so much harder.

Quote from: I like vanilla on February 03, 2016, 04:37:16 PMSo, I keep taking baby steps forward and hoping that any particular will not be the one that causes a full-on frontal assault by my ghosts and a resulting meltdown (dissociation and/or EF) by me.

As Churchill said "If you're going through *, keep going".
Good quote from Churchill.  And yeah, I can identify so keenly with the above.  Last week I ended up having major meltdowns -- in public, no less -- due to EF from trying to do things to take care of me, combined with other triggers.  It all just built up, and built up, over the course of several days.  And I wound up in tears in an elevator, and then again standing outside a building downtown... It was embarrassing on one level, but on another level I just didn't care what other people thought.  Not that anyone stopped or said anything.  I'm not sure if that made it better, or worse, that no one seemed to notice.  For two days after that, I couldn't make myself do much of anything, let alone anything that might have been considered "self care" -- except that maybe, in that instance, sitting on the couch and watching tv all day, was self care.  At least, the best self care I could manage to provide for myself.  It was like "taking a sick day" from work.  It's just that it's my emotions that were sick, not my body. 

There was a moment of progress there, though.  I didn't feel guilty for spending 2 whole days doing nothing.  I didn't berate myself for it, or beat myself up.  Even my IC/OC couldn't muster complaints about it.  It was what I needed, at the time, and I was able to give myself that without feeling bad about it.   And that... That's huge for me.  Epically huge. 
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: I like vanilla on February 08, 2016, 07:21:37 PM
Tessacline:  :hug:
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Indigochild on March 10, 2016, 12:01:50 PM
Very helpful thread.
Trigger warning***

On mothers day, I decided that, as I am the only mother i have ever had, and ever will have, that I would treat the mother that I am, as it was mothers day.
I bought a bath bomb, some soap, and a moisturiser, and decided to watch a film.
I didnt have breakfast in bed etc. like i had planned, but at least i did *something*.
I wondered why i was doing it, maybe I'm realising more and more that i will never have a mother (i knew that about my own mum), but when the narc mother figure left...i realised that i have know one. Not even my T, and we talked about this the session before mothers day.
I was often upset / angry and felt it was unfair that i have to be my own mother, that i can never have a mother, not even a chance at it.
I still haven't properly felt all this and absorbed it, so maybe thats why i treated myself.
It wasn't too triggering, although i do think there is a feeling of emptiness and sadness, that is way deep inside that i cant access.
I do find it hard to totally relax (too much cortisol / general ongoing hypervigenance), and sometimes I feel removed from what I'm doing. it doesnt feel as comforting or as enjoyable as it could be, but maybe that is because as you guys were talking about  earlier up on this thread, I dont know what self care looks like or feels like.
I mean, i can guess, but i dont really know what parents do for their children to comfort them...no matter how old the child is.
I think that sadness or triggers are around shopping for myself, no matter what I buy, because my mother used to get me things sometimes, only rarely, and she once gave me a chocolate bar after dismissing my feelings after she made me tell her how i was feeling and what about.
I used to comfort eat and i wonder if it comes from this, as well as in filling emptiness.
So it does feel strange to buy things, it feels like its not really what i actually *need*, it feels artificial and fake, and I'm sure nothing would feel better than a hug and a real parent.

Hope you know what i mean.
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Dutch Uncle on March 10, 2016, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: Indigo on March 10, 2016, 12:01:50 PM
Very helpful thread.
Trigger warning***

On mothers day, I decided that, as I am the only mother i have ever had, and ever will have, that I would treat the mother that I am, as it was mothers day.
I bought a bath bomb, some soap, and a moisturiser, and decided to watch a film.
Awesome. I like this. Inspiring.  :thumbup:
Thanks for sharing.

A digital hug is all I can give you, but I'm doing it with a passion.  :hug:
And if I may be so bold, i'll give you this hug too  :kisscheek:
(I hope I don't come across as imposing myself on you.)
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tesscaline on March 10, 2016, 04:02:06 PM
Quote from: Indigo on March 10, 2016, 12:01:50 PM
So it does feel strange to buy things, it feels like its not really what i actually *need*, it feels artificial and fake, and I'm sure nothing would feel better than a hug and a real parent.

Hope you know what i mean.
I do know what you mean.  I feel that way too.   :hug:
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Indigochild on March 10, 2016, 07:36:43 PM
Aw, Dutch, you are so kind, and so lovely of you to give me a virtual hug, thank you very much. (teared up a bit there!)
You didnt come across as imposing yourself on me at all, I really appreciate it.
Cant believe you found it inspiring, thats so great.
Sending big virtual hugs to you too Dutch,  :hug: :bighug: :bighug:

Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: tesscaline on March 19, 2016, 07:01:45 PM
So, I came across a way to "reframe" the term "self-care" (which in and of itself can cause me a bit of anxiety) as "state management".  Thinking about things like making sure I get enough sleep, eat, brush my teeth, take a shower, exercise, as "managing my state" is an idea that seems to appeal to me.  It distances me from the emotional feedback over the idea of "caring for myself", and makes it easier to think about doing these good things for myself. 

So far, I haven't put it into practice (as I just discovered this way of reframing last night), but just the change in thought process seems promising.  So I thought I'd share the idea, to see if maybe it helps anyone else too :)
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: breakingfree on March 23, 2016, 01:34:46 PM
Wow, I am so glad it's not only me experiencing this too. Self care is a trigger for me too, a strong one. I came from a punishing neglectful FOO and married in college a high functioning autistic spouse. Who chose to never tell me he was autistic for over 24 years: until I was tipped off by a new pal that his behavior seemed abusive and cruel. I had no idea I was living daily with someone with an empathy disorder but i knew he was deeply narcissistic NPD. Every day, since leaving my abusive FOO and entering my marriage I was verbally abused: gaslighted, put down, criticized, told every thing I did was wrong, examined in great detail. Learned helplessness and stockholm syndrome set in. Then he confessed he was autistic and I collapsed inside learning about how much abuse I endured and how he kept if from me and how I was told by autism society I would never emotionally reach him. Over the years, anytime I picked up my self care abilities and improved my health, my looks, my well being: I was punished. Over and over and picked apart and gaslighted you name it. So, I am working with my counselor on how to reframe back to a better mindset. The mindset I had before he deconstructed me with criticism (at the autistic level) day in and day out for 24 years. It's hard. I have this trigger in me that: trying to improve my health and well being will invite punishment from my autistic ex. I lived this way for years. It's hard to undo.
So my counselor just mentioned ACT therapy to me here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceptance_and_commitment_therapy

I am working on un doing years of abuse and deception. Then punishment whenever I tried to improve my health and escape: it got a million times worse because he would make it his whole life focus to pick me apart. So, giving this ACT stuff allot of thought and consieration. My counselor says some realities (like the deep pts I deal with) are what they are. But if I can progress more with self care they may minimize or lessen. I am no longer married to the high functioning spouse and I went no contact with abusive family a few years ago. I do think those were the best decisions I made ever because I feel like I am finally joining humanity again. Carefully, slowly and with the top focus being challenging myself to deal with these triggers. I completely get self care being a trigger. It is for me. I want to lessen it too, if possible.
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Post by: Inky on February 12, 2017, 02:04:53 AM
I'm so glad this thread exists!! I have been panicking all day about eating. I've never had any body issues but preparing and eating food has caused a lot of anxiety and fear because of my childhood neglect. I buy ingredients for yummy recipes that I love and then I don't want to make them and I end up eating cereal. Then I feel guilty because I'm wasting so much food.
Don't even get me started on showering and brushing my teeth. It all makes me want to hide under the covers and cry. The guilt I feel for neglecting myself is so overwhelming that I don't want to bother.
I appreciate the ideas here, though! I'll try to apply them.
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: ALLHAILTHEGLOWCLOUD on February 12, 2017, 04:41:50 AM
It's been said before but I'm going to say it again: wow am I glad this thread exists!!  I have a really hard time doing what a lot of people might consider "basic" stuff, too, as well as understanding when I should be doing something I need to do versus something I want to do.  Brushing teeth, brushing hair, cleaning up clutter, putting clothes away after doing laundry, and plenty more stuff.  I used to do all kinds of stuff for my FOO, and when I first moved in with my partner I went over the top doing it for him and all his roommates too.  But it's been downhill since then.  If I am doing a bunch of housework and cooking, it's almost always been a form of self-harm because I go at it so violently, desperately seeking approval that will never be enough.  It's been a way to avoid my feelings, rather than a way to feel good about the environment I'm in or about my body.  I'm heartened to know I'm not the only one, though I wish no one who has posted here had to go through this on top of everything else. 

I like the idea Kizzie uses of treating a younger self gently and encouragingly to get through basic self care tasks, though I'm still really intimidated by my inner children.  I also like the ideas of "state management" and reframing it from being a chore to being a therapeutic task that I'm worth doing, with a more process-oriented focus than outcome-oriented. 

Another thing that has helped me recently has been an article I'm linking to on New Synapse [I'm so obsessed with this site I can't even tell you].  http://www.new-synapse.com/aps/wordpress/?p=1911

It's about how people with CPTSD have to do some ground work before thinking about self care, because our concepts of "self" and "care" are themselves so deeply fragmented.  This perspective has made me a lot more self-compassionate lately, because now I'm asking myself: what do I need to do BEFORE self care?  How can I establish that I have a self, and that that self is worth caring for? 
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Inky on February 13, 2017, 03:18:25 AM
Love that website, AllHail! Thanks for posting!!
Title: Re: Self care as a trigger?
Post by: Blueberry on February 13, 2017, 04:02:26 PM
Oh wow! I love this forum. I see myself in so many posts.

Self-care, even the most basic, like brushing my teeth, washing my face, taking my medication makes me exhausted.

I have a Must and Could list since "musts" are a real problem for me. I don't always write one, but if I do, then it's better the evening before. Sometimes I even resort to writing Highly Recommended instead of Must, since the very thought of Must exhausts me or makes me rebell internally. There are very few activities in the Must column: get up, feed my pets (it's not their fault), take my meds, drink sth at least 2x a day, eat at least 1x a day and usually "be outside" (somehow seems less exhausting than "go outside") and contact with one person not-work related. Because the latter two are things which help with day-to-day staying stable.

Everything else is in the Could column. Everything: appointments, brushing teeth, showering, even the bits of professional work I still do, having fun. 

The other thing I do: I write a poster of Goals for the next 4-6 weeks, and tape it to the wall. Self-care is most usually on the poster. For each goal I write a list of ways to achieve so under self-care I write things like brush teeth, shower, brush hair. Every time I do one of these things, I tick it off on the list. When things are generally going well, I tick less often because I forget, but when things are going with a large amount of difficulty only, if at all, it's really helpful for me to add my coloured ticks to my poster, and also to see bit by bit: hey, you haven't been doing nothing! Look at all this stuff you have accomplished!

Sometimes it takes me a while to write a new Goals Poster. So I live a while without one. For me one of the most important things on the road to recovery has involved getting away from "I must do this, I  must do that, I really ought to do the other. If I don't it's my fault, no wonder I'm still having so many problems..."