"It is possible that the entire world is mentally ill"
- a Past Therapist of Mine
:yeahthat:
[On the subconscious:] ...that infuriating part of a person's brain which never responds to interrogation, merely gives little meaningful nudges and then sits humming quietly to itself, saying nothing.
Douglas Adams
When asked what he wanted from life, he said: I'll start with a written apology.
B Tier
"People often say that this or that person has not yet found himself. But the self is not something one finds, it is something one creates." ― Thomas Szasz
Maya Angelou about injustice:
"If you're not angry, you're either a stone or you're too sick to be angry. You should be angry. Now mind you, there's a difference: you must not be bitter. Let me show you why. Bitterness is like cancer. It eats upon the host. It doesn't do anything to the object of its displeasure. So use that anger. You write it. You paint it. You dance it. You march it. You vote it. You do everything about it. You talk it. Never stop talking it." ... "Anger is like fire. It burns it all clean."
"My parents gave me all the tools I needed to continue their abuse long after I left their home."
Paraphrasing from book that I can't remember. I THINK it was The Courage To Heal...but I'm not certain. If anyone comes across it, please let me know and I'll add it.
"Of course your family knows how to push your buttons! They were the ones that sewed them on!" - unkown
"When something is festering in your memory, laws of silence don't work. It's like shutting the doors of a house on fire in hopes of forgetting that house is burning." - Tennessee Williams
Home is not where you live, but where they understand you. (Christian Morgenstern)
A hero is one who knows how to hang on one minute longer. (Novalis)
"Healing from child abuse can be a winding path, once described as a
'spiral -- a repeated traversing of the issues, layer by layer, piece by piece,
sorting and resorting, until the toxicity of the abusive experiences has been released.'"
- Carol Barringer, 1992
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Oh my goodness. That is brilliant.
Rousseau : 'It is a sort of folly to remain wise amidst those who are mad"
BBC 37 Days : "Sometimes one has to forget what one thinks is real, and accept what is staring you in the face: Austria does not want peace but a war in the Balkans!".
It just seemed a metaphor for so many things besides WW!. Found the whole drama full of nuggets.
"In having to deal with and exclude those with glaring self evident PD undesirable traits, the best way to protect ones mental health is to treat yourself to 'No Contact', it really does work. But that journey of realisation cannot be forced it is only discovered by self reflection."
Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to."
"I don't much care where –"
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go."
Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland #1)
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I like this one!
A man who lies to himself, and believes his own lies, becomes unable to recognize truth, either in himself or in anyone else, and he ends up losing respect for himself and for others. When he has no respect for anyone, he can no longer love, and in him, he yields to his impulses, indulges in the lowest form of pleasure, and behaves in the end like an animal in satisfying his vices. And it all comes from lying—to others and to yourself.
Fyodor Dostoevsky
It reminds me of Denial, and the problems with denial!
Keep on Keeping on! ;)
"To make an omlette one needs to have a full and frank discussion with the eggs" - The Thick of It.
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.
- On Joy and Sorrow, from The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran
And let us not forget, that C-PTSD is not Rocket Science (R/S). R/S is simply a "controlled" explosion. Take a cylinder with a hole in it, fill it with high explosives, throw a match in the middle, and "Hang On". You can learn all you need to know about R/S in a few seconds, "don't play with matches"! The human brain is far more complex. Thousands of rockets are made every day, exactly the same. But out of 7 billion brains, there are no 2 alike. We are as different as our fingerprints. No wonder we have trouble finding a therapist that understands who "I" am. :stars:
Nibbe
If somebody can't understand your silence, they'd probably wouldn't understand your words.
-unknown
"The smart have their books. The wise have their scars."...Wayne Wirs
"Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles."
-Charlie Chaplin
great one!
Today I stumbled on this gem:
"I appreciate the people who love and understand me. Even when I'm hurt and pushing people away they know me better and push back with love and support."
Those people are rare and few, but I'm glad I know some.
:hug:
When my EF's became debilitating for a period of time my doctor's comment:
"Yours is a "normal" response to abnormal circumstances"
... I like that since for me it's like saying cptsd is a normal response to abuse/abandonment/NPD/etc.
What an excellent doctor. :thumbup:
He knows his medicine well :yes:
"It's what you do to get out of the dark that defines you"...Joseph Luzzi
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." Friedrich Nietzsche
Great one :thumbup:
I adore Nietzsche.
One I picked up from a TV-series.
It's not an exact quote, as I can't review the episode, but it's as close as I can remember (and I did write it down somewhere, rewinding the scene over and over again at the time. But I can't find it at the moment), and it's definitely how I interpreted the quote. Perhaps to better reflect my state of mind ;) .
It's quite dark, for me at least, so:
*** Possible Trigger ***
"We can all see them coming and brace for: the waves that crash [ into us ]. Though it's the undertow [ we can't anticipate on ] that gets us."
[ parts are definitely inserted by me ]
"Thank you for the tragedy. I need it for my art." -Kurt Cobain
Love that one KayFly. Miss Kurt, wish he was still with us....
Humor is what has always gotten me through life, to be able to rationalize anything. Viktor Frankl is one of my favorite authors. Dutch Uncle, since you are a Nietzche fan, guessing Frankl is someone you would appreciate as well.
"The attempt to develop a sense of humor and to see things in a humorous light is some kind of a trick learned while mastering the art of living." Viktor Frankl.
I truly believe that life would be unbearable without humor and music!
DM ;D
Quote from: DaisyMae on August 07, 2015, 10:59:32 PM
Humor is what has always gotten me through life, to be able to rationalize anything. Viktor Frankl is one of my favorite authors. Dutch Uncle, since you are a Nietzche fan, guessing Frankl is someone you would appreciate as well.
Thanks for the tip. Haven't heard of him. But I already like him after a quick wikipedia visit:
"Even among the detainees in the concentration camps there are just two kinds of people: the decent and the wicked." Now that is something I can relate to.
Love the title of his book:
Trotzdem Ja Zum Leben Sagen: Ein Psychologe Erlebt das Konzentrationslager, (translated as "
Saying Yes to Life in Spite of Everything: A Psychologist Experiences the Concentration Camp", known in English by the title Man's Search for Meaning (1959)
Frankl became [...] a prominent source of inspiration for humanistic psychologists. :thumbup:
I'll definitely will read some writings by him. Thanks!
There is a voice that does not use words. Listen.
Rumi
Good one!
Just a few words can convey so much. I am struggling to find balance at the moment. Too much conversation going on in my head, inner critic challenging my rational thoughts. Need to find a way to shut her up and start listening to those things that do not use words.... art, experiences, others emotions as well as my own.
Thank you Dutch!
Quote"We can all see them coming and brace for: the waves that crash [into us]. Though it's the undertow [we can't anticipate on] that gets us."
Whoa. I so totally felt this when I read it... I don't even know what to say.
And then you quoted Rumi....Ahhhh..... Thank you, Dutch.
This is one I made up myself.
So, it's a slogan of sorts.
I simply had it translated by Google, then [added]/(edited out) a bit:
"You do not need to understand it to be [cap]able of doing it (right)"
For me this means: I don't have to figure it ALL out. I don't have to JADE to myself all the time.
Difficult!
As I type this I'm reminded of an (apparent) Chinese proverb:
"Simple. Not Easy."
Being brave doesn't mean you aren't scared. Being brave means you are scared, really scared, badly scared, and you do the right thing anyway.
Neil Gaiman
One of my favorite quotes comes from a movie I watched when I was younger: "Words spoken in the heat of anger are never from the heart."
"Ah yes, the past can hurt. But the way I see it you can either ryn from it or learn from it." -Rafiki (The Lion King)
"Sometimes the right path is not the easiest one." -Grandmother Willow (Pocahontas)
"Sometimes we only see how people are different from us. But if you look hard enough, you can see how much we're all alike." -Jasmine (Aladdin)
"Some people are worth melting for." -Olaf (Frozen)
"Everybody's a fixer upper." -The Trolls (Frozen)
"You can't get what you want just by wishing for it." -Tiana (The Princess And The Frog)
That's so cute Vrizzy. I love Disney movies, and whatever Frozen and the Princess and the Frog are.
:)
"Don't trust anyone that says you can't do it. Show them you can." -Rapunzel (Tangled)
"Just keep swimming!" -Dory (Finding Memo)
"Happiness can be found even in the darkest of times. If only one remembers to turn on the light." -Albums Dumbledore (Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban)
"It is our choices, Harry, that make us who we truly are, far more than our abilities." -Albums Dumbledore (Harry Potter And The Chamber Of Secrets)
"Never trust anyone that calls you friend who would rather demand your silence than hear your words." -me
Disney is awesome and so inspirational!
"Courage asks no favors"
It's mine from many years ago and most disagree with me.
What do you think?
I like it! :)
Quote from: Lifecrafting on August 17, 2015, 11:23:27 PM
"Courage asks no favors"
I like it.
Though it's a bit obscure what is actually meant. Does it express how courage is often a bit of a torturous path? Courage comes at a cost? (yet the results can be very rewarding?)
That's the way I read it, and it's so true. Hence I like it. :thumbup:
Quote from: Vrizzy on August 17, 2015, 10:19:24 PM
"Ah yes, the past can hurt. But the way I see it you can either run from it or learn from it." -Rafiki (The Lion King)
Personally I dislike that, and sayings in a similar vein.
One of the things that has helped me the most on my path Out of the FOG has been the realization that "Flight" is as valuable as "Fight" (or "Freeze" and "Fawn" for that matter). It's very circumstantial when to use what.
To illustrate: there's a quote attributed to WWII general George Patton that's something like: "Your job as a soldier is not to die for your country, but to make sure some other poor sod will die for his."
For me that means: There's really no reason to (always) stand up and fight heroically, if that will mean you'll go down yourself. :sadno:
For me that realization has been key in my decision to go NC with my sister, and LC (bordering on NC) with my mother. I always had to "Fight" with them, and it has made me profoundly unhappy. THe "Flight" I am taking from my past has already reaped much more rewards in the last few years than the roughly 50 years of "Fight" before that. :doh:
Sorry to have been so longwinded in this thread on mere quotes. :blink:
Here's one that sums up the value of sites like this for me:
"There's nothing more intimate in life than simply being understood."
Brad Meltzer
Yes, Dutch Uncle, that's the way I see courage. How else do you see this statement being perceived??? I've never thought of it any other way.
Quote"Never trust anyone that calls you friend who would rather demand your silence than hear your words."
Good one Vrizzy.
Quote from: Lifecrafting on August 18, 2015, 10:03:47 AM
Yes, Dutch Uncle, that's the way I see courage. How else do you see this statement being perceived???
I couldn't think of another way. ;D
Just checking. ;)
Glad to see we are on the same page. :thumbup:
Quote from: Vrizzy on August 17, 2015, 10:26:59 PM
"Never trust anyone that calls you friend who would rather demand your silence than hear your words." -me
In a similar vein:
"He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your words."
Elbert HubbardI love that quote when people keep demanding you "explain" yourself.
Sorry if my quotes offended you. ^^"
Quote from: Vrizzy on August 18, 2015, 05:37:48 PM
Sorry if my quotes offended you. ^^"
No offense taken.
Sorry if my reply came across as such.
From one of my favorite authors, Thomas Moore:
QuoteNever try to get rid of any bad tendency you have. Own it and tweak it into something good. Remain imperfect.
Another of my favs from the great Miles Davis:
QuoteDo not fear mistakes; there are none.
I love those quotes.
Your response wasn't mean sounding I just have a tendency to get nervous sometimes.
"Deeds need time, even after they are done, in order to be seen or heard."
Nietzsche, from "The gay (happy) science".
Here's one for all of you out here. I want to say to all of you:
I've seen you at your worst and I still think you're the best.
author Unknown
:hug:
Saw this quote and the followup question and thought they matched well what some of us struggle with so often.
"We don't always know what makes us happy. We know, instead, what we think should. We are baffled and confused when our attempts at happiness fail...we are mute when it comes to naming accurately our own preferences, delights, gifts, talents. The voice of our original self is often muted, overwhelmed, even strangled, by the voices of other people's expectations. The tongue of the original self is the language of the heart."
--Julia Cameron
What truly makes you happy? If the voice of your original self could talk to you, what would it say?
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Hey Lifecrafting--loved the Thomas Moore quote you posted above. It's soooo like him; took a class with him once...the funniest was how many people were totally baffled by his wit, nuanced humour, and fresh take on things. Truly an original.
Julia Cameron...:applause:
Thomas Moore... Yep, the man is high on my fav. author list - he's a keeper for sure! And you took a class with him - how cool is that?!?! When I share something of his, I often get a bewildered look or a statement like: "I just don't get it."
But I do! And I am ever grateful!
True healing
is not the fixing of the broken,
but the rediscovery
of the Unbroken.
- Jeff Foster
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs...and if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly."
–Theodore Roosevelt
So good KayFly ~ so good!
It really is LifeCrafting, Isn't it? I keep thinking about it.
I have this site bookmarked with daily quotes. So many are so awesome...
It's not what you say out of your mouth that determines your life, it's what you whisper to yourself that has the most power.
Robert T. Kiosaki
(And I'd say that works both ways: the self-incriminating whispers that I (and many of us here) know all too well. But also in the other direction (I guess ;D ): that I am mending, recovering. "I'm already doing the right thing", as I regularly remind myself off.)
Another beauty of today, that I think many of us here can relate to:
The relevant question in psychiatry shouldn't be what's wrong with you, but what happened to you.
Eleanor Longden
Not sure who said it but I like this one:
Be the person you needed when you were younger.
"We're not bad people. We just come from a bad place." -Sissie from the movie Shame
"Be patient with yourself. Self-growth is tender; it's holy ground. There's no greater investment."–Stephen Covey
Stephen Covey is one of my favorite authors. It is a challenge to remain patient with myself. Self-growth can be a positive, fun experience at times. But when you are trying to change thought patterns and negative beliefs that have been ingrained since you were a small child, it is also very painful and can be very tempting to give up.
:hug: MaryAnn
If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution.
Emma Goldman (attributed)
It's a 'soundbite' made from this autobiographical piece:
"At the dances I was one of the most untiring and gayest. One evening a cousin of Sasha, a young boy, took me aside. With a grave face, as if he were about to announce the death of a dear comrade, he whispered to me that it did not behoove an agitator to dance. Certainly not with such reckless abandon, anyway. It was undignified for one who was on the way to become a force in the anarchist movement. My frivolity would only hurt the Cause.
I grew furious at the impudent interference of the boy. I told him to mind his own business. I was tired of having the Cause constantly thrown into my face. I did not believe that a Cause which stood for a beautiful ideal, for anarchism, for release and freedom from convention and prejudice, should demand the denial of life and joy. I insisted that our Cause could not expect me to become a nun and that the movement would not be turned into a cloister. If it meant that, I did not want it. "I want freedom, the right to self-expression, everybody's right to beautiful, radiant things." Anarchism meant that to me, and I would live it in spite of the whole world — prisons, persecution, everything. Yes, even in spite of the condemnation of my own closest comrades I would live my beautiful ideal. (p. 56)"
(source: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman#Living_My_Life_.281931.29 )
(bolding mine)
(I was passionately attracted to anarchism (NOT anarchy!) in my adolescence. Didn't dare to dance though ;D . Got over it.) :party:
so what are you saying here?:stars: You can always dance, if just in your mind.
I read you wanted to dance in your house.
Sorry.
sorry for what :)? You didn't offend me, I just didn't understand the post :) It's way over my head.
Sorry
Ehrmm, hard habit to break. ;)
But thanks for letting me now I didn't offend you. I was afraid I had.
:thumbup:
Good one Dutch! Never compromise that which creates joy within...
Reminds me of one of my fav quotes by Martha Graham:
"There is a vitality, a life force, an energy, a quickening that is translated through you into action, and because there is only one of you in all time, this expression is unique. And if you block it, it will never exist through any other medium and will be lost."
I've been looking for a quote to use as my profile signature and this one is it; thanks for prompting this memory for me!
"The mind that opens to a new idea never returns to its original size."
Albert Einstein
Oh, and this one too ;D
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression, or low self-esteem, first make sure you are not ... just surrounded by [toxic people]."
(edited for language)
William Gibson