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From the website: Simple Psychology.org

Signs Your Boundaries Are Being Crossed & How to Respond


Boundaries are the values, rules, and limits in your life and relationships that help you feel healthy and safe. Thus, when another person (accidentally or purposefully) disrespects your boundaries, it can harm your well-being and make you feel unsafe.
A woman uses a large red pencil to draw a line between her and someone else - setting a boundary.

Many people struggle to maintain and protect their boundaries because they don't want to seem selfish or confrontational, and don't want to upset the other person.

But if you want healthy relationships and good mental health, you must communicate what is acceptable and unacceptable. You have to tell people when they've done something you don't like so they can learn how to treat and love you.

When a boundary has been crossed, don't quietly grow resentful and disappointed – speak up. If they keep disrespecting your boundaries, show them how much you care by letting them feel the consequences of their actions.

Let's explore this in more detail.

You can tell if another person disrespects your boundaries if they violate your boundaries repeatedly, make you feel uncomfortable, put pressure on you, or minimize or mock your requests/ needs.

Here are more signs that your boundaries are being crossed:

    Not listening when you say no e.g., You said you don't want to eat right now, but they keep offering you food and telling you to eat.
    Continuing to do something you asked them not to e.g., You asked them not to shout at you, but they keep doing it.
    Breaching your privacy e.g., reading your journal or looking through your phone without permission.
    Touching you when you say you don't want to be touched or when you can't consent to being touched (e.g., when you're asleep).
    Making you feel guilty for asserting yourself e.g., "If you really loved me then you would..."
    Trying to convince you to do something that goes against your morals, beliefs, and values e.g., Trying to convince you to steal for them.
    Emotionally blackmailing you when you implement a boundary or a consequence for crossing your boundary e.g., crying, shouting, or saying something like, "You   clearly don't love me" or "You're always so mean to me."
    Being deceitful e.g., lying, stealing, cheating, etc.
    Telling other people things you told them in confidence.

  Listen to Your Body and Emotions

Often, your body will give you a sign that your boundaries have been crossed. You may experience your heart racing or get a "gut feeling".

Essentially, you experience anxiety because your body and brain are sensing a threat to your well-being, safety, and self.

You might experience emotions like guilt, fear, shame, or sadness which can also indicate that a boundary has been crossed.
What to Do When Someone Crosses Your Boundaries

When someone crosses your boundaries, some sort of action must follow. What that action is depends on what kind of boundary has been crossed, how often it's been crossed, and how you feel.

In any case, you must take ownership of what you will and will not tolerate. We're often too focused on wanting the other person to change but that's a losing game because we don't have any control over other people's actions and words.

Therefore, the focus should be "What can I do to ensure my boundaries, and therefore my well-being and safety, are protected?"

When you're in a relationship, feelings are going to get hurt, and boundaries are going to be crossed – that's normal (to an extent). The important thing is how you deal with these situations when they arise.

No one is perfect or blameless so there should be a balance between having compassion for the mistakes and faults of others while protecting your needs and well-being.

Here's some advice on how to approach a boundary being crossed:

Who Is Responsible?

Although you might not be to blame for your boundary being crossed, you are responsible for holding the boundary-crosser accountable.

People often don't realize they've crossed a boundary, and if they do, they're unlikely to change their behavior voluntarily.

If there's a problem in the relationship, fault is irrelevant if you want the relationship to last. You both have to work towards finding a solution to the problem.

For example, if your partner spends your money carelessly, that might be their doing, but it's up to both of you to solve the issue.

If you don't see a solution and therefore can't see a future with that person, you must still take the initiative and end the relationship. Don't wait around for other people to meet your needs – be assertive in having your needs met.

Proactive vs. Reactive Boundaries

Communicating about boundaries should be done as proactively as possible. Be honest about who you are and what you want and expect from the very beginning. In return, be open and respectful of their boundaries.

But of course, not all boundaries can be proactive, as some will come up when something happens (known as reactive boundaries).

For example, they ask you about the relationship you have with your family, but that's not something you want to talk about. You tell them "I don't like talking about my family, let's talk about something else" and thereby you've reactively set a boundary.

If, a few days later, they ask you the same question, you'll probably feel like they're not respecting your boundaries. In this situation, you can

    Remind them you don't want to talk about your family.
    Explain why you don't want to talk about them e.g., "It brings up difficult feelings for me."
    Tell them it's important for you that they don't ask you again and that you'll explain when you're ready.

Communication

The first thing you need to do when a boundary has been crossed is to communicate that.

For example, "I didn't appreciate it when you made fun of me in front of those people. It made me feel like you don't respect me. Please don't do that again."

In most cases, they will apologize, promise not to do it again, and probably say they didn't realize it came across like that.

If you don't tell them, you're essentially tolerating this behavior and they'll probably do it again.

Some boundaries shouldn't have to be communicated such as treating you with respect and not lying or stealing from you.

But unfortunately, some people need to be reminded of basic moral behavior. If someone is constantly lying, stealing, or disrespecting you, they probably need professional help – and that's not your responsibility.

If you've said it once and they continue to do it, you need to remind them and importantly, tell them what the consequence will be if they do it again.

Consequences

Part of becoming an adult is learning that actions have consequences. You're doing yourself, your relationship, and your partner a disservice if you don't hold them accountable for crossing your boundaries.

Relationships are about growth and that can only happen if you're honest about your boundaries and consistent in implementing them with your words and actions.

The most important part about consequences is that they're not empty threats. If you say you're going to sleep in another room if they drink again, but you don't follow through, they won't learn. You're essentially communicating that your boundaries are negotiable and that you tolerate their behavior.

Examples of consequences include:

    "I love you, but I will no longer bail you out of trouble anymore."
    Leaving the room when they shout at you after you've asked them not to.
    Moving out if they lie/ cheat.
    Leaving the venue or event if they're late again.
    Not letting someone back into your life until they've made the change/gotten help (e.g., for addiction or poor behavior).

Ultimatums

When our boundaries have been crossed, we often give the other person an ultimatum: either you do this, or you suffer the consequences.

Sometimes, ultimatums are necessary if you need to get a very strong message across and your repeated attempts at communicating your boundaries have been unsuccessful.

Having to give someone an ultimatum signals that the other person hasn't respected my boundaries (maybe many times) and that I've not enforced my limits strongly enough so far.

However, they should be used carefully and have a healthy, positive intention rather than to control or punish the other person.

Sometimes, ultimatums are necessary when the relationship doesn't have a strong foundation of boundaries and respectful behavior.

Positive Reinforcement

Though it's important to let people know what you don't like, it's also good to get into a habit of positive reinforcement. That means, you reward someone for "good behavior" i.e., you let someone know when they've done something you do like.

People feel good when they get a compliment and praise, and it encourages them to do it more often.

It shouldn't be condescending (like giving them a gold star) – you're simply expressing your gratitude and joy about the way they treat you.

For example:

"Thank you so much for listening to me."

"I'm so grateful for the way you respect my boundaries."

"I really like how you ask before you borrow my things."
Accept Reality

Some people's boundaries and values are just not compatible. In some cases, it's not because of disrespect but because you have needs and wants that are not aligned.

But sometimes a person will continue to cross your boundaries because they're unboundaried themselves and/or want to control you.

If that's the case, you're better off accepting this reality and letting go of the toxic hope that an abusive, immature, or irresponsible person will change because of you (they can only do that themselves).

It can feel unfair and upsetting but sometimes giving up is the best thing you can do for your health and well-being.

Control vs Boundaries

Control can be financial, physical, emotional, intellectual, or sexual (or a combination of them all).

Sometimes, people dress up control as "their boundaries," but they are two entirely different things. If someone is controlling towards you, they are crossing your boundaries – they don't respect your needs and wishes and force you to give up your autonomy.

Much like in any other form of toxic relationship, the only way to deal with a controlling partner is to set firm and consistent boundaries. If nothing changes, it might be necessary to leave the relationship.

You should:

    Make a firm decision to no longer tolerate control.
    Set a boundary e.g., "If you threaten me again, I will leave the house/move out."
    If they do it again, stay strong and do what you said you were going to do.
    They might argue and complain but don't allow them to talk you out of it or excuse it somehow.
    Your feelings, behaviors, and choices are your responsibility. Their feelings, behaviors, and choices are their responsibility. If they can't respect your boundaries and well-being, you have to take control and do what's best for you (in many cases, that means ending the relationship).

Are You Confusing Boundaries with Control?

Sometimes, in a bid to have our needs met, we might become controlling. If you want to relinquish control and embrace true love and growth, consider the following:
What is the cost of control?

Your partner might comply, but they will lose their trust and love for you and grow resentful and emotionally absent over time.
Can you control another person?

The only person you have control over is you. No matter how much you try, the other person will not change until they are ready to.
Do you like your freedom being taken away?

Relationships are about freedom. You agree to each other's boundaries but remain two separate individuals. How does it make you feel when another person tries to control you?

Control creates distance rather than closeness. When you accept this reality and the fact that you cannot change another person, you make room for closeness and growth.

Are you dependent?

Do you rely on your partner to meet all of your needs? The love, approval, and forgiveness you seek must come from within you and should be spread across the people you know.

It shouldn't be limited to your partner.
Does a difference of opinion feel like an attack on you?

If you overly define yourself by your partner and relationship, it will feel like an attack against you if they disagree or make a different decision.

When you define yourself by your own boundaries, you will realize their feelings and decisions have more to do with them than you.

Note: This article led to me think about proactive and reactive boundaries. I hope it "speaks"to you as it spoke to me.
#2
On Keeping a Journal LEAVING A TRACE The Art of Transforming a Life into Stories

242 pages, copyright 2001

Attached is Part Three from the Table of Contents. 
#3
On Keeping a Journal LEAVING A TRACE The Art of Transforming a Life into Stories

242 pages, copyright 2001

Attached are title page and TOC.

Due to space, I'm attaching Part Three in the following post
#4
companion post to show the complete TOC and appendices- also very helpful.

This appears to be a self-published book, and gets rave reviews. I agree,  :thumbup:

Available at Amazon in the USA. https://www.amazon.com/After-Suicide-Loss-Coping-Grief/dp/0983950598
#5
here

Table of contents Part 1. Contains 3 images.

Following the post is Table of contents Part 2. Contains the remaining 3 images with Appendices.
#6
From the Trauma Geek website of Janae Elizabeth:  There is also a graphic labeled Attachment and Polyvagal Theory. Here The contents of this post are completely credited to Janae Elizabeth.


   1.  Attachment patterns show up in ALL of our significant relationships, not just romantic ones. Our attachment patterns develop through each of our significant relationships in childhood, potentially including parents, non-parental caregivers, grandparents, siblings, teachers, coaches, and childhood friends.

   2.  Attachment patterns are more fluid than fixed. We can have different attachment styles in different relationships depending on a lot of factors. Our attachment style within one relationship can change over time as well.

   3.  Having secure attachment in some relationships does not make someone a better person than someone who has insecure attachment. Insecure attachment is NOT a moral or personal failure.

   4. Insecure attachment styles are adaptive survival strategies. Anxious attachment styles form in response to lack of attuned relationships in which to learn secure attachment. Avoidant attachment styles form in response to being punished for anxious attachment. Disorganized attachment styles form in response to unpredictable or inconsistent attunement.


I find recognizing my own attachment patterns to be very helpful, BUT the original way that attachment theory was presented has a LOT of problems.

Problems with the original attachment theory include shaming people for insecure styles, moralizing attachment styles (making some good and some bad), exaggerating the causes for insecure styles (abuse is not the only cause), and writing off the disorganized style as unchangeable without significant therapy intervention.

If we understand attachment styles as extensions of our nervous system state, we can see how they are defenses against loss of connection. As a social species, connection is essential for our safety, and our body has many wise ways of attempting to restore that once it is lost. Insecure attachment is the body's wise response to attachment rupture.

Secure attachment is a privilege because many people do not have access to any safe enough people in their lives that they could possibly be securely attached to.

If you have insecure attachments, please do not blame, shame, or punish yourself for it! We get enough of that from our hyper-individualist culture that pretends attachment is a personal issue and not a collective one.
#7
I missed this whole ADVOCACY section when I returned to the forum. Since the original topic was last active in June 2023, it seemed best to bring it up to date with something current.

Starting off, whenever I see the word Advocacy, I am instantly drawn to the topic. Many members, including myself are in the midst of soul searing emotional work at this time March 2023.

My thoughts this morning are exploring expectations. Because acknowledgment & apology encompass such a large area, I'll focus on acknowledgment only.
Any takers?
#8
Thank you Blueberry, I remember tuning in a couple years ago. I had no problem registering and finding DAY 3, which is Wednesday January 31.

Coming back here to edit on the chance other people see this. This conference lasts from Monday January 29 to Sunday, February 4, 2024.
To register, all that's needed is a first name (doesn't have to be real) and an email. Forewarning here, you'll get marketing along the way and you'll have to unsubscribe more than once. Eventually it will stop.

You're taken to a main page where it looks like you can only BUY things, but scroll down. You'll see a bookmark this page link.

Click on that and you're on a page where each day is summarized by speaker, and their headshot photos. You'll see anything prior is Buy Now, whereas the current day is WATCH now. You'll have complete free access to anything on that day, regardless of time. Once midnight hits, I imagine it will close.

I watched Thomas Hubl Attuning to Collective Trauma and Lindsay Gibson, Disentangling from Emotionally Immature People. Her presentation was so RELEVANT and POWERFUL, I immediately checked out an ebook with a similar title and placed a hold on her most current work.

This is earth shattering, ground shaking for me because it completely explains my favorite topic, The Karpman Drama Triangle. It also speaks specifically to the "Four Horsemen of Self-Defeat"
Learned Helplessness
Passivity
Immobilization
Dissociation


Today, Dr Diane Poole Heller talks about How to Unfreeze Trauma.

Some of her points:

Memories are stored by intensity level, not by chronology
There are three time periods: the traumatic event time (how old were you?) the present, and the future.

Her points are to bring present resources, (sympathy, compassion, active listening, reassurance) from the present (therapy of otherwise) and match it to the feeling of being alone at the time the trauma was occurring. She calls this "resourcing."

We approach traumatic memory a little bit at a time, usually peripherally, not straight on. In order to "heal" or change our response, it is imperative that we honor our pace, and not try to "get it done" by rushing ahead, or even abandoning your present life to dedicate yourself to healing. Your present life, with it's schedules, roles and identities actually forms the scaffolding of the healing process.

The somatic bodily healing response can take up to 7 times longer than the cognitive processing.  :blink: Now, that's news I can use.

These hour presentations are very intense for me and I have to stop frequently, walk away and then come back. Good things nevertheless and hats off to Blueberry for making this available.  :applause:  :applause:  :applause:
#9
Harville Hendrix, Ph.D.
Keeping the Love You Find-A Guide for Singles copyright 1992-Pocket Books

About: Harville Hendrix, Ph.D. began his career as a pastoral counselor in 1965. After his divorce in 1975, he began the study of marriage, with a focus on marital therapy that led to the development of the Imago Relationship Therapy. Various faculty appointments at Divinity Schools and affiliations with psychotherapy associations. He and his wife Helen, live in New York City and have 6 children between them.

Part I: Being Human, Being Single
1.   What's Wrong with Being Single
2.   What's Really Going on in Your Relationships
3.   The Human Journey

Part II The Imago Puzzle1: Childhood Nurturing
4.   Growing Pains: Uncovering the Wounds of Childhood
5.   Attachment and Exploration: Getting Securely Connected
6.   Identity and Competence: Becoming a Self
7.   Concern and Intimacy: Moving Out into the World
8.   Traumatized Relationships: Legacy of the Dysfunctional Family

Part III The Imago Puzzle IIL Childhood Socialization
9.   "For Your Own Good:" The Messages of Socialization
10.   Recovering the Missing Self: Love' Agenda
11.   Gender and Sexuality: Making Love, Not War

Part IV The Journey of Partnership
12.   The Imago: Recipe for Romance
13.   Partnership: The Journey to Consciousness

Part V Becoming a Conscious Single
14.   From Insight to Integration: Basic Strategies for Change
15.   New Skills, New Behavior: Steps to Self-Integration
16.    Real Love: Paradise Regained

Back book cover claims
•   Identify your Imago-the fantasy partner that your unconscious mind, which has a hidden agenda of it's own, has chosen for you.
•   break from those patterns in your parents' marriage that you have unknowingly internalized as your only relationship model
•   recognize the unfinished business of childhood that can be transformed into a conscious relationship
•   learn-and benefit from-every past relationship
•   practice new relationship skills
•   achieve the mature, nourishing, and enduring love that can immeasurably enrich your life.

CAUTION:

Those who know me know I like to read books, especially if it helps me move my recovery ahead. This is the table of contents and the bare bones. I have worked my way through about 4 parts. Let me caution you that since this book was written in 1992, whether you buy used or new, the pages are likely to be yellowed with age, perhaps the binding is flattened in places. Some of the "old" writing still has a place today, but reader beware. The exercises in this book may cause some long buried memories to surface, and the feelings associated with them may prevent you from fully learning from the suggested exercises.
#10
The main forum page has this in red font:

ANNOUNCEMENT - A group of OOTS members are writing a book about relational trauma and Complex PTSD.  We have stories from a number of you (thank you!), and now are looking for members to complete a questionnaire to help round out the book.  Please see further information in the Announcements section at https://www.cptsd.org/forum/index.php?topic=15705.new#new. We would appreciate your contributions to the book very much!

This link does not work for me: https://www.cptsd.org/forum/index.php?topic=15705.new#new. Screenshot of error message is attached.

Solution? Thank you.


#11
Please Introduce Yourself Here / Returning Member
September 18, 2023, 04:11:37 PM
Good morning for those who are in American Standard time zone, good day or good evening for those who are not.

I'm posting here to let members who've been around a while know I'm BeHea1thy of days gone by. That's 2014 vintage. I've "only" been absent for a couple years, but it feels like more. Life deals a full hand and I'm here to learn how to play better.

My reading continues with John LeeJohn Lee
. He has specialized in "regression" recently, and this hits me right where I am!